JEANS DISCOUNT : So, last weekend (August 1), I had a real low speed (~20mph)low sider from leaning too far on a crummy surface. There was minimal damage to my baby^H^H^H^Hbike (foot peg, brake lever, foot brake trashed, cosmetic damage to muffler rear view mirror, & right turn signal). I was surprised at the damage to my shin, however: four inches of rash, two inches wide. My jacket and gloves protected their respective areas well, however; and I have concluded from this that wearing jeans is only marginally better than wearing shorts. I am now in the market for some wildly expensive leather pants.Just thought you mike like to hear the voice of my experience.Jeans will protect you for about 5 feet, which is about how long ittakes the denim to rip away.Sean-- |``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face of theSean Casey | commitment to getting from here to there. But they are the | conditions for sailing -- not something to be gotten ridU of KY, Lexington| of, but something to be danced with.''
JEANS DISCOUNT : Except in my case 20-30mph low side. Bone chips in knee. Missingepidermis(sp?). But the levi's came thru unscathed. Go figure. ======================================== ======================================== Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.=================================== ======================================== ===== I'll have to argue this one. I slid on ass and elbows down the freeway afterlosing it to high speed wobble (80mph). I was wearing K-Mart jeans and denim jacket. Got minor brush burns on my lower back where the jacket rode up and on my elbows where it wore through. A burn/scrape at the top of my boot got infected and cost me some serious down time, but in all I think I did quite well. I heartily agree that leather is better, but when the thermometer busts90 or 100 denim is about all I can stand. I'd hate for people to take the attitude that jeans don't work, therefore they may as well ride in shorts andtanktops. Ten days in the hospital with IV antibiotics and an operation, and six more weeks laid up at home, all for some scraped off skin (didn't even draw blood). Staph infections can kill. Even a little abrasion protection is betterthan none.
JEANS DISCOUNT : From: ()Subject: Re: Blue Jeans Bad; Leather Jeans Good Newsgroups: Date: 1992-08-11 07:30:10 PST (Jeff Achenbach) writes:You're not making a very strong argument in favor of denim! :-)This seems to come up so often that I'm thinking of putting it in my.signature instead of just the FAQ.------------------------------------ -------------------------------------In the Sept. 1988 issue of Cycle they "road tested" several grades ofleather, nylon and Kevlar. They call 3 oz leather "competition weight".Also tested were 2.25 oz suede and 1.75 oz "fashion weight" leather.At 50 mph the results were:3 oz leather 86' 0" Kevlar 22' 1" Codura Nylon 18' 3"Denim, 2 year old 4' 0.5"1.75 oz leather 4' 4"2.25 oz suede 4' 3"Denim, new 3' 10"Ballistic Nylon 3' 10"-------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- -I don't mean to imply that denim is really good crash protection. I definitelyagree there are better materials. However, in the Dallas summer there are a large number of helmeted people in bathing suits and sandals, no shirts, etc.Anything is better than nothing, and I think denim is a readily available,cheap, reasonably comfortably alternative to riding half naked. I'd hate forfolks to get an attitude that if it's too hot for leather and nothing else works, why wear anything at all? You've been riding for a while and thought about it or you wouldn't recallthis article (it was a couple years back, wasn't it?). It's the new riders I'mconcerned about.
JEANS DISCOUNT : From: ()Subject: Re: Blue Jeans Bad; Leather Jeans Good Newsgroups: Date: 1992-08-11 06:50:50 PST In article (james.j.dutton) writes: Review of J.C. Whitney's "Genuine Steerhide Leather Pants"Here is a re-post of a review I wrote last year. I still wear the leather pants whenever I ride. They have loosened up quite a bit, and are very comfortable (except when it is above 80 F and I'm stuck in stop an go traffic)Background:Having seen what asphalt does to jeans, I decided to invest in a pair of leather pants. Unfortunately, the pants I really wanted, made by Langlitz Leathers, cost $400 and had a 6-8 month waiting period. The other options I looked at were Donelson Cycles' Mr. Motorcycle leather pants Hein Gericke's Boot Cut Jeans. I couldn't find anyone who had seen the Mr. Motorcycle pants ($99) and while I assumed Gericke's leather pants were up to the same quality of their jackets, they still cost $195 and I couldn't get a lot of info on those either.Alex Ridgeway, DoD#48, sent me email in response an earlier cry for info (Thanks Alex). He basically said that he had bought JC W's Steerhide pants and was pleased with them. They were only $90 so I decided to give them a try.Getting the Stuff:I ordered the pants from J.C. Whitney catalog 527K (they are listed in other JCW catalogs also), page 205, by phone (312-431-6102). I needed to supply the catalog #, the page #, the name of the item, and the order number (varies by size). If I had been smart, I would have said I was a repeat customer and wanted the 10% discount. (after you order something from them, JCW floods you with catalogs, one which has a 10% discount coupon on it (mine is green and has the designation RC02) which you can use for your next order). The pants cost $89.99 + shipping and handling of approx. $10. The pants arrived 9 working days after I ordered them. JCW does offer "next-day" or "second-day" air shipping, but they are both very expensive, and only take 2-3 days off of the shipping time. The pants arrived, neatly folded, in a plain cardboard box which also contained the saddle-bags I ordered (and soon returned - they were not what I expected, but that's another review) and a considerable number of sales-flyers and catalogs.Description:These pants are made of steerhide leather and are supposed to have a "deeper, natural grain" and be "slightly stiffer than cowhide." They were very stiff for the first week or so, and appeared to have softened
JEANS DISCOUNT : Doug Peacock rants about Gear Heads invading the woods with espresso makers and gear which would not exist without a downturn in the defense design industry. Fine. Wear jeans. Don't buy the techno-weenie esoteric titanium/teflon/wunder-widget body armor. I do know that jeans can work just fine. I also know that jeans can be the most stupendously inefficient and heavy piece of gear in your pack. And they are capable of getting and staying much heavier when they are wet. I've been able to fill out my gear list from deep discount sales and seconds/return tables. Versatech nylon pull over pants can be had at Land's End for under 10 bucks. I bought three pair for $12 last summer. They are wind proof, light, compact and dry quickly. They pull on over boots because they have generous side zips. Their elastic is long lasting and resiliant. They fit loose to keep off skeeters. I can wear any weight of tights under them, up to Exp/Activist Fleece pants. They smoosh to the size of a baseball. That's a no brainer to me, folks. Add a pair of running shorts, and/or canvas or nylon shorts and your needs are met. If you need rain pants, try a coated pair before investing in the all-out goretex side zip deluxe models. You might be surprised at what works for you in the field. Just keep in mind that not all surprises are happy ones.
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